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Hangar Flying / Re: This forum is becoming useless
« on: September 06, 2006, 01:51:37 PM »
T'was said:
> This forum area is becoming a useless embarassment.
> Who is (are) the adminsitrator(s) (sic) for this forum?
> I agree this forum is too valuable to let sick scum bags ruin it for all of us.

Noel Wade and I spend a few minutes every chance we get to delete the offending messages.  (The site owner, A. Sisco, has given us that administrative ability.)  We do no other "moderating" although sometimes I'm tempted ...   :-)

I'm just getting back from the race at Kanab so I haven't been able to keep on top of it like I should.  But if you really care, you'll address your comments to the site owner rather than ruminating about it here.

Go to the site's home page ( and click on the link for "Contact Us" (on the left side near the bottom).  I'd recommend keeping it civil and constructive lest A. Sisco does what I do when I come across messages that are not: I delete them without reading.

And to the few people who actually view the offending messages posted here: how smart is that?  Why increase the "Views" count and give the spammers any encouragement at all?


Hangar Flying / Kanab R.A.C.E.
« on: August 14, 2006, 07:22:11 AM »
Quote from: "Reb Wallace"
Iwho can i contact for info

For information on dates/times/accommodations/other activities, etc. it would be best to telephone Char Spencer.  I'm hesitant to post her number here but Email me (jdubner at yahoo dot com) for it (or I'll answer your questions if I can).

For information on the cruise or timed event or non-race or whatever it's called now, Email David Orr: canardfinder @

Hope you'll fly up; I think it'll be a lot of fun.  Last year there was a hike in the nearby red rocks and this year there'll probably be a fly-out lunch to Bryce Canyon.  There's always dinner at a local fixture called Nedra's (I think) and the locals are glad to see us and the airplanes.


Hangar Flying / Funny and Sad at the Same Time
« on: August 06, 2006, 12:20:12 PM »
I flew to Sandpoint, ID (SZT) the other day to visit a friend and to use the compass rose.  My home base of Lewiston (LWS) has a nice new one but it's off by exactly twice the magnetic declination (can you imagine how that happened? :-).

Before my return takeoff, I taxied onto the compass rose and sequentially lined up on the four cardinal headings.   Naturally I did this with the engine running and a "normal" electrical load (i.e. strobes).  The compass rose was within about 100 yards of a workman who was doing something with a transit.

My friend (who is also a pilot) stood by and watched the process and later Emailed me this:  "Here's something to sooth you with a laugh.  When you guys were taxiing around to the various points of the compass rose, the guy surveying on the grass near by, finished up, and as he walked by with his equipment he muttered to us, "seems like they're having trouble finding their way to the runway."

Sheesh!  It would be funny if the public's ignorance of aviation wasn't so pitiful.  OK, it's still funny!


Hangar Flying / Kanab R.A.C.E.
« on: August 03, 2006, 03:03:47 PM »
I hope everyone got the word on the correct dates for the Kanab R.A.C.E.   It's *NOT* Sep 1-3.   The correct dates are:
  Arrive Saturday, Sept 2nd
  Event Sunday, Sept 3rd
  Depart Monday, Sept 4th

Here are the full "Five-W's" of the event:
# who? contact me for more (and I'll give you Char Spencer's number)
# what? Canard aircraft fly-in, fly-out, and cruise (no longer a race).
# why?  Fun.  No fame, no fortune.
# where?  Kanab, UT
# when?  see above
# how?  motel reservations at Aiken's Lodge: (800) 790-0380

See for info on *last year's* event.

I fly an O-235 Long-EZ.  Last time (Jackpot) it got real lonely during the "cruise" with all the VariEzes and O-320 Longs out front.  Speaking only for myself here, I'd like to cordially invite all O-235 Long-EZs (so I have someone to play with :-) except the really fast ones (like Bob E. :-)


Hangar Flying / Re: O-235 Pistons
« on: July 05, 2006, 06:54:22 AM »
Quote from: "easyrider"
Try these guys
I know several people who have success with them

Someone responded that Lycon gave them credit for their O235 when they built his O320.  Alas, in my daily morning delete-the-Viagra-spam-postings duties, I accidentally deleted that post.  Would the poster please post it again?  And please accept my apology.

In my defense, I'd like to point out that it's early here (6 AM) and I haven't had my coffee yet :-)

I'm off to the Arlington EAA fly-in today -- back in a few.


Hangar Flying / Re: Looking to buy a Long Eze
« on: June 29, 2006, 03:36:03 PM »

Very good -- yep, that's the place <g>.   Some lots are have the river in the back yard and the runway in the front.  Others are further from both.  I have a hangar and a 2A building lot there but live 160 NM away (long story <g>).

I just sent you an Email message; if you don't receive it, contact me at jdubner at yahoo dot com or cell 208 305 2688.


Hangar Flying / Re: Looking to Buy a Long Eze
« on: June 28, 2006, 10:45:03 PM »

In America everyone is entitled to their opinions even if they're wrong but your pilot neighbors are pretty clueless.  4000 feet of runway at 30 MSL  is pretty deluxe by most standards.

3000 of runway at some unspecified density altitude is what most EZ flyers consider the minimum for low-time pilots.  With experience, one can handle somewhat less with a high degree of safety.   Gross weight plays a large part of it for takeoffs and speed control does for landings.  (I.e. be light and be on speed if takeoff or landing distance is critical.)

My own O235 Long-EZ does just fine dual with 20 gallons of fuel on a 2900' runway at 2240 MSL (Sunrise Skypark, ID40) unless it's very hot (high D.A.).  Even then, some headwind makes it easy.  On the other hand, full fuel or a couple of porcine aviators at high D.A. will water your eyes as the runway goes behind you yet the canard won't fly.

You'll do just fine with 4K' at sea level.  Illegitimi non carborundum.

What airport do you live on?  Except for the neighbors, it sounds like a good one :-)


Hangar Flying / Re: New Varieze
« on: June 16, 2006, 07:36:09 AM »
eric r,

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the fraternity.  

I know Bob and agree with your assessment of him: he's one fine gent and Linda is a wonderful lady.  When I visit in Cody he provides me hangar space so I'm particularly pleased to see your Varieze gone -- now there'll only be two EZs in that little hangar :-)

If you'd like a few digital images of your airplane while airborne (taken by my GIB while in formation w/ Bob last summer), Email me at jdubner at yahoo dot com.

Hangar Flying / Re: Com question
« on: April 06, 2006, 08:42:53 AM »
Quote from: "allen"
... music that mutes when tower keys up ...

[My $.02]

My Softcomm intercom does this as do nearly all of them AFAIK.  This sounds like a "must have" feature but in practice isn't so wonderful.  

It's pretty annoying to try to listen to music on a long X-C when Center frequency gets busy and the music is continuously interrupted.  If my intercom gave me a choice, I'd disable this feature and simply keep the tunes at a managable level so I could listen up for my callsign in the nearly continuous chatter that often goes on.  When I get near the traffic pattern I simply stow my MP3 player and Tower has my undivided (audio) attention.

Of course, your values may be different.
[/My $.02]

Hangar Flying / Re: 12Volt body heaters??
« on: March 19, 2006, 08:43:13 AM »
Quote from: "Dave in Eugene"

Any good sources?

I would love to hear about any experience with this... is amperage a concern?

Dave, I wear Gerbing heated socks ( for "high-altitude" wintertime long-duration flights.  I bought mine in a motorcycle shop in Boise.

Rather than use the Gerbing controller to regulate temperature, I plug them directly into 12V and unplug them when I feel too warm (about half an hour).  Or one could use a 1 or 2 ohm series resistor to lower their heat output so they could be left on continuously.

I've never considered other heated clothing items; the socks have been satisfactory for me personally.  My hands still get cold (of course).   And you may want a heated vest although I'm OK with thermal underwear and a jacket (when there's sunshine).

"Amperage" shouldn't be a concern unless you have a tiny (or no) alternator; the socks draw about 2A.

Hangar Flying / Re: Anyone using the Jeff Rose Electronic Ignition
« on: February 15, 2006, 11:06:19 AM »
Hello Les (and welcome to,

The Electroair ignition system is still being sold (

While I don't have specific knowledge of that particular ignition system, I do know that J.C. Whitney sells an Equus tach and that some EZ-flyers use or have used them (notably Gary Hertzler).   Gary gave me one which I disassembled and modified to include a divide-by-four circuit so it could use a direct P-lead pickoff but I did not feel the quality of the unit was acceptable for my use and I shelved it.  If you need it, I will "unmodify" it and send it to you.  I also traced out the schematic and if you are so inclined, perhaps you can use it fix your own unit.  Contact me at

BTW, I flew into Santa Ynez last Sunday.  Saw the Flying Fish (John Fisher) briefly as I was getting ready to depart.  What a gorgeous place to be based!

Long-EZ 821RP
Lewiston, ID (but currently in SoCal)

Quote from: "Lesclark"
My Tac quit working. It was the one that Jeff Rose sold with the Electronic
Ignition. It was an "Equus" automobile Tac that I believe was altered to use with his system. Any Ideas of a replacement for this. Jeff is out of bussines.
Les Clark

Hangar Flying / Spin on oil filter Question?
« on: January 21, 2006, 09:03:52 AM »
I recently installed an ECi right-angle oil filter adapter and my EZ friends/mentors convinced me I'd benefit from a Vernatherm so I abandoned thoughts of plugging the port instead.  I bought one via eBay for $65 -- not much more than the plug.  Of course, YMMV and a used Vernatherm from eBay is a pig in a poke but in this case I lucked out.

ECi also has brand new Vernatherms for a reasonable (in an aviation context :-) price.   See   The oil filter adapter is at and at $179 seems like a good value (again, in an aviation context).

One (more) piece of unsolicited advice: if your engine is an O235, be sure to look for the presence of a Viscosity Valve and remove it.  It's located on the accessory case between the right magneto and the tach drive (pointed to by the pen in this image:  This is what it looks like when it's removed:  The plug is re-installed.


Hangar Flying / Fuel Cap O rings
« on: January 13, 2006, 10:03:03 PM »
My Long-EZ uses the Brock fuel cap and I've found the required 1-7/8 X 1-11/16 X 3/32 O-rings at Ace Hardware.  It's an industry standard "dash 131" size (AS-568A-131).

But since I often use mogas, I've opted for Viton parts, which I have not been able to find locally.  McMaster-Carr ( carries them (search for p/n 9464K131).  


Hangar Flying / Re: LEZ Basic Empty Weight
« on: November 19, 2005, 12:19:17 PM »
Quote from: "Bruce Hughes"
I think NON-GEARED starters are worthless.

Bruce, please send me all your surplus non-geared starters.   And how about your old spark plugs and battery too? :-)

Like Waiter, I have an automotive starter (Honda or Toyota; can't remember which) on my Lyc O235-L2C (with high compression pistons).  It has a built-in "solenoid" that is jumpered to the main power lead which is fed through an additional external starter "solenoid".  (These "solenoids" are really contactors, not solenoids.)  Two friends in Phoenix milled me an aluminum mounting bracket for it.  Replacing my old Prestolite with it did three things:
  1.  Saved me a few pounds in the nearly the worst possible location.
  2.  Cranked the engine faster.  Starting is a non-issue.
  3.  Netted me a few bucks when I sold that old boat anchor to a Cessna owner on eBay.

There are any number of reasons (electrical and mechanical) why a particular starter fails in a particular application.  For instance, a permanent magnet starter could drop the battery voltage enough that an EI would not fire correctly if the electrical system was not suitable.  It would be informative to learn the root cause of your particular problem.

Hangar Flying / Re: LEZ Basic Empty Weight
« on: November 09, 2005, 07:51:38 AM »
Quote from: "Radioflyer"
My intuition is that I willl be flying with a noticeable penalty in range, payload capacity, flying speed, and/or "stallling" speed.

My O235-L2C Long-EZ is also nice-looking (but only VFR) and weighs 971 pounds.  Part of that weight increase is due to its nice finish (lots of filler and paint) and part is due to the heavy equipment I have installed (33 AH battery, large alternator, ham radio gear, large wheels/tires/pants, etc.)  Although YMMV lets address each of your concerns:

1.  range:  at 5 GPH in cruise, 140 KTAS, and 52 gallons of fuel possible, there's no penalty in range :-)  The airplane will fly longer than I care to.

2.  payload capacity:  my lady friend and I are both "lightweights" -- not over 300 pounds between both of us.  Takeoff and climb performance are noticeable degraded (dual with a big fuel load and luggage) but still very decent although it doesn't do well above 12,500 MSL until shedding some fuel wieght.  With no luggage and medium fuel (e.g. out for a $50 hamburger) there's no issue.  Solo under those circumstances, well ... it's a rocket!

3.  flying speed:  weight isn't much of a factor in the induced drag required to compensate for the additional wight.  My R.A.C.E. results were pretty decent with speeds of 185 - 190 mph.

4.  "stalling speed":  all I know is the IAS when I get the pitch bob -- about 63 mph (working from memory here) which seems pretty standard.  (I realize IAS != CAS at this AOA.)

That said, of course I'd like better climb performance.  OTOH, I really like my "creature comforts" and the look of the nice finish on the airplane.  Except for takeoff performance on shorter runways at higher density altitude,  the climb performance is at least adequate (and often very good).

Of course, an O320 would let me have my cake and eat it too <g>.

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