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« on: April 13, 2007, 04:35:08 PM »
The infamous Long-Ez has found its way back on the market.


http://www.ez.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1230


LONG-EZ • $29,950 • ASKING PRICE SLASHED • 1,574 hrs since 1985 Well equipped Lycoming O-235-L2C - 735 hrs SMOH KSEE - San Diego CA •  - located El Cajon, CA USA • Posted March 6
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1998 O-320 160HP
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 05:13:41 PM »
two questions:

1) Did you ever get your EZ?

2) Where did you see this ad at?

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 08:42:39 PM »
1. No, I did not. I spent a large portion of my allocated "Ez" money on purchasing a new house and a motorcycle. Maybe in another year or so I will revisit the idea. The last burn is still stinging a bit. When we had our taxes done this year we added up our total losses in this. Both direct and indirect costs came out to be just a tad over 5k.

2. Barnstormers.com
Allen
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2007, 08:04:45 AM »
he's calling you a liar allen.  

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Amazing! A liar publishes on the WWW.
You automatically believe what he said, without checking
facts, seeing the plane, or knowing me personally.
 
How would you label a person that does that?
 
My tendency is to judge that person to have the same
lack of integrity as the liar that published the false article.
 
Al Hodges
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not that i'm taking any sides nor do i care, i just thought i'd share in the fun and stir the pot.   :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 07:59:23 AM »
Allen,

Thanks for the heads up.  If anyone questions Allen's character, I suggest you carefully read his long description of events that he has linkded to and decide for yourself.
Charles Davis
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2007, 09:14:57 PM »
Allen's character is unquestionable.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2007, 10:08:02 PM »
i wasn't questioning anyone.  i was just giving the guy selling his plane or whatever my piece of mind telling him we are all warned by allen about his ordeal.  so don't take it the wrong way.  i was just bored and thought i'd join in on the fun.  Iraq will do that to you.
daniel       :P
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 08:53:39 PM »
I'm pretty sure that plane was the one that was damaged in Hurricane Andrew in 1992 (or 1993, I forget). I saw his posting in Canard Pusher. I wouldn't touch it anymore than I would a car that had been an insurance writeoff.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2007, 11:04:11 AM »
This plane has been investigated by the local FSDO after I had reported my experience with it. The FAA closed my complaint after seeing the plane and opened an investigation. I am not certain just what that means, but I was later informed by my attorney who had spoken with the FAA inspector that “The last investigation ended with the FAA telling (seller) that he could not sell the plane as "flightworthy"...”

The seller made the argument that I had backed out of the deal because of buyer’s remorse. My point was that he had stated, MANY times, that the plane was “safe, legal and ready to be flown home.” He contends that this was in fact the case and had a fresh conditional inspection to prove it. (More on that can be found in my linked post.)

I say that the plane was grossly misrepresented. It was not legal to fly, and the FAA deemed it as not airworthy. Apparently the FAA agreed with me on this one. Yet the seller has never returned any portion of my money.

I was never told of any hurricane damage to this aircraft
Allen
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1998 O-320 160HP
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It's for sale on Barnstormers.... edited ad below:
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2007, 06:17:14 PM »
LONG-EZ • $29,950 • ASKING PRICE SLASHED • 1,574 hrs since 1985 Well equipped Lycoming O-235-L2C - 735 hrs SMOH KSEE - San Diego CA • Contact XX XXXXX- located El Cajon, CA USA • Telephone: 619-741-XXXX • Posted March 6, 2007 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email Advertiser •

As someone who was also taken to the cleaners by a famous canard guru I understand your frustration.  He was broke and needed the money too.  But when you realize they have no pride or character and are telling the world you (as a Rookie) are the problem, you just move on.  I've repaired and redone a lot that was charged at top rates assuming it would be done to top standards and wasn't.  But I gave up when I realized there would be no reimbursement and instead found there are a lot of really great canard people out there.  I hope you get back into it if it is truely your passion.  Have already flown 3 days this week and can't tell you what a joy it is.  Bite the bullet, lick your wounds and find a good plane.  Good luck.     :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2007, 09:13:23 PM »
I am not sure about damage by a hurricane---but from the owner's 2000 ways...

The canard provides 20% of the lift. Damage to the canard can reduce this lift to a dangerous level. When I encountered my personal “Sucker Hole” in 1992 (See Canard Pusher-75, April 1993 on www.ez.org ), hail destroyed the leading edge of my canard, reducing the laminar airflow. Only with full aft trim and heavy aft stick pressure could I maintain straight and level flight for two hours to reach Oshkosh. Burt Rutan’s comment was, “I would not high speed taxi that aircraft.”

My previous Longez (sold to new owner) on the other hand was taken out by a hurricane.  Since it was floating in salt water for a week or so, the insurance company totalled it.  Not sure where it ended up.  It had a fantastic engine in it----who many said could be saved.
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2007, 03:23:15 PM »
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070427X00465&key=1
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NTSB Identification: LAX07CA112.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, March 16, 2007 in El Cajon, CA
Aircraft: Caywood Long-Ez, registration: N829CL
Injuries: 1 Uninjured.

The airplane veered off the runway after touchdown and damaged the landing gear structural attach points and the fuselage. The pilot said that just after touchdown the plane swerved left. He applied the right brake in an attempt to correct the swerve. The airplane departed the runway to the left and the left main landing gear dug into the dirt, causing damage to the main mount and fuselage. The pilot stated that the airplane and engine had no mechanical failures or malfunctions.
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I had brought the issue of sticking flight controls to the attention of the seller. Here is what I wrote about this August of last year.

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"I sit in the seat and do a stick wipeout and rudder deflection. The stick is sticking with full right deflection. The seller explains that this is normal but nothing to be worried about. I insist that it is not and we begin to investigate. We discover a 1/8th inch hole under the right wing just inside of the aileron attachment. Moving the stick we can see the head of a bolt moving over the hole. I assume that this is the attachment bolt from the control tube to the aileron. The seller insists that this cannot be the case and begins to fill it in with filler. No attempt was made to see if the bolt has backed out or lost the retainer nut. The stick continued to catch.
I also note that the left rudder remains deflected and will not return to neutral. The seller explains that this too is normal and it will return when sufficient aerodynamic forces build and push it back. Until then he just counters with opposite rudder. In the cases where if does not return he lands and manually forces it back. We discover that the rudder cable is catching on the edge of the autopilot and beginning to chafe. The seller fails to see this as any kind of a problem. Duct tape is placed on the edge of the autopilot in act as a chafing tape for the cable."
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Decide for yourself.
Allen
Long-Ez N701DS
1998 O-320 160HP
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